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Article creation[edit]

Captain Assassin! and Rusted AutoParts: when this article is ready to be created (once filming starts), I am a page mover and can clear Dune (upcoming film) before we move this draft there. That's assuming that neither of you is able, of course ;) Thanks!— TAnthony^Talk

That would be greatly appreciated, thank you TAnthony. At present I’m not able to delete existing redirects. Rusted AutoParts 16:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Feyd-Rautha, Alia, Piter De Vries, Thufir Hawat, Liet-Kynes, Princess Irulan and Shaddam IV[edit]

Exactly which actors are going to play the roles of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen's nephew Feyd-Rautha, Paul Atreides' sister Alia, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen's mentat Piter De Vries, Paul Atreides' teacher Thufir Hawat, Chani's father Liet-Kynes, Princess Irulan and her father, the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV? AdamDeanHall (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

We’ll find out when they get cast. Rusted AutoParts 19:48, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Potential filming start[edit]

Filming is potentially set to begin tomorrow as per a dedicated Dune social media account. However it is social media, in addition to being unsupported by any sources. Rusted AutoParts 14:12, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@TAnthony:Filming has begun. Rusted AutoParts 15:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, obviously I've cleared the redirect and moved the draft. I also disambiguated the Lynch film to Dune (1984 film) and updated all incoming links in article and file space.— TAnthony^Talk 22:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Casting citations?[edit]

There are no citations / sources for casting. I see Sharon Duncan-Brewster is cast according to IMDB, but have no other sources yet (I hope she plays Princess Irulan!). If IMDB is not a good source for casting information, what sources are used to support the other info on actors' roles? Kdevans (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

see cites in Casting section. All there. --Masem (t) 21:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Dune 2020: In the Premise section:[edit]

Dear Wikipedia,

The description of 'spice' is inadequate. Spice is actually used by Guild Navigators to fold space, enabling almost instant hyper travel through space.They call it 'travelling without moving' and is one of the key fundamental components of the story

RegardsMark Mark A J Ford (talk) 14:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your comment. Those of us who have been editing the article are aware of this, and though I think this is covered by the phrase 'accelerated levels of thought', I've added specific mention of foldspace travel. We have to be careful about the level of detail we include in an article about an adaptation when our source material is the originating novel.— TAnthony^Talk 20:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, while I don't think this crew will take the original material that far out of context, it still might happen. We should not assume a scene by scene recreation yet. --Masem (t) 22:05, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Where is Feyd-Rautha?[edit]

There is one character that's missing from the upcoming Denis Villeneuve film Dune. And that character is Baron Vladimir Harkonnen's other nephew Feyd-Rautha. He is nowhere to be found and there's no actor to portray the character. AdamDeanHall (talk) 15:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Probably just keeping that under wraps. We still don’t know Stephen Henderson’s character. Just a matter of waiting. Rusted AutoParts 15:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Since it has been established that the film is going to cover half/part of the novel, I've wondered if some characters like Feyd and Irulan might only appear in the next film.— TAnthony^Talk 17:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Heads up on new information tomorrow (4/14)[edit]

VF is expected to have a large piece tomorrow, this one [1] is just an initial tease (nothing I can see to add immediately). --Masem (t) 13:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

As promised, here's VF's larger take [2]. I will try to incorporate later. --Masem (t) 13:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2020[edit]

Add Dune 2020 official logo 173.79.40.106 (talk) 18:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a 'change X to Y' format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 20:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, I've seen Reddit and know there's a logo there, but not yet official. Expecting the big Vanity Fair reveal tomorrow to have a confirmed source. --Masem (t) 21:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Mistake in the plot overview[edit]

The plot to destroy the Atreides, although primarily facilitated by and I’m sure delightful for the Harkonnens, was actually primarily engineered by the ruling House Corrino, in particular the 81st Padishah Emperor. This is well-established in the first book. Cerroverb (talk) 16:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I added the Padishah Emperor as one of those behind the trap. We don't want to go too far as we don't know all the diffs esp. since no name has been attached yet to the Padishah Emporer yet (more important in the second half of book if they stay with that. --Masem (t) 16:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

There shouldn’t even be a plot summary at this time; the movie isn’t to be released until December. We can’t go off the plot of the original movie either. ⌚️ (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

We've included a premise, which includes introductory details used in nearly all the press coverage of the film.— TAnthony^Talk 19:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

As well as the fact that this Vanity Fair article today pretty much assures the 'premise' we have is pretty much on agreement with how much Denis V. has said about the film. --Masem (t) 19:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah I wasn’t paying attention to the article and assumed someone tried to put a whole plot there. ⌚️ (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

3D Release Not Actually Confirmed?[edit]

The cited source for it being released in 3D along with IMAX only mentions IMAX and not 3D.

Ukrainian distributor of the film says that a movie will have a 3D releases.--Sourlemoning (talk) 12:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Graphic novel[edit]

I don't think the paragraph about the planned graphic novel adaptation (Dune (graphic novel) [uk]) is very related to the object of this page, because that adaptation is not related to the film. Maybe it serves a little as an advertisement, creating a hype to the movie, but it is the same when Marvel Comics releases a comics series Falcon & Winter Soldier (2020) before the TV series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (2020). Does Wikipedia write about this? At least it should indicate that that comic book will not have a connection to the film, outside of the shared primary source.--Sourlemoning (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

As the one that added it, it might end up better at the franchise page ... but the timing of its release is specifically due to the film, as is the board game's re-release, for example. Maybe a different subsection to indicate other cross-promotional marketing, but it does not seem wrong to mention that other Dune franchise pieces were released to capitalize on the film's release. --Masem (t) 14:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I did add something, but that does bring to mind that, while I can't add it now due to lack of non-speculative sourcing, but that there is expected to be a newfound interest in Dune with the film's release, which is why these elements are being promoted. If we can write more about that newfound interest as we get closer to the film's release, then certainly it will make more sense to include them, but for now, I've preluded that they aren't film-releated. --Masem (t) 14:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Colbert interview[edit]

Stephen Colbert does an interview with the Dune cast and Villeneuve. Has potentially some good info to add. Rusted AutoParts 15:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

David Dastmalchian[edit]

Would it be worth including him in the infobox billing? I know he’s not included in the billing being used from the trailer, but he is however in the WB film description between Chen and Duncan-Brewster. Rusted AutoParts 00:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Theater or streaming[edit]

I was expecting the article to say exactly how this film will be distributed; that is, whether COVID-19 considerations would cause the film to be released in theaters (the article says IMAX but nobody is going to theaters now), or drive-ins (remember those? they're making a comeback), or streaming video. ~Anachronist(talk) 06:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

They have not said anything about any streaming option , so we cannot write to that at this point. --Masem (t) 13:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 October 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: WP:SNOW closed.(non-admin closure)Nohomersryan (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Dune (2021 film) → Dune (upcoming film) – The film keeps getting delayed and it could be moved once again. Changing the year to 'upcoming' makes it easier to identify as of right now. Horacio Vara (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose: WP:NCFILM states that For upcoming films where the release date is currently unknown, use (upcoming film) if disambiguation is necessary, for example Wikipedia (upcoming film). Once a release date has been confirmed by a reliable source, the page can then be moved to the correct year disambiguation. Reliable sources have confirmed the release date to be October 2021. If the year changes again, we can move the title again. To base a decision on what might happen is WP:CRYSTAL. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 22:19, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Yes, it could, but we have a hard Oct 1 2021 date. If it is moved again before then, we'll just move it to the new date. Only if it was moved to a a 'future date' then 'upcoming film' would be appropriate. --Masem (t) 22:26, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose There's presently a set 2021 date and until there's an announcement to change that, there's no reason to suspect it'll fail to see a 2021 release. Rusted AutoParts 22:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose and close: The release date has been delayed to October 1, 2021 is made official and confirmed by numerous sources: [3], [4], [5]ApprenticeFanwork 23:41, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Bait30 et al. We never go back to the generic (upcoming) disambiguation once an official date has been announced.— TAnthony^Talk 23:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per all of the above. El Millo (talk) 01:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose changing the title because the announced date might be changed sounds like it would be a WP:CRYSTAL violation. Obviously if the date is officially changed it can be moved then but it shouldn’t be before it happens.--76.67.170.18 (talk) 02:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per all the above. If it does get bumped back a year, it can be moved to Dune (2022 film). Lugnuts^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose because we have a verifiable release date, even if it may change. Wikipedia follows reliable sources in what they say about when a film comes out, and there is no need to add a degree of uncertainty. We can always move it to 2022 (argh, I hope not) and update the links and redirects easily enough. Erik (talk contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:50, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. While using an announced date sounds like CRYSTAL to me (as announcements are liable to change or not be met), WP:NCFILM is a guideline that embraces this use of speculative announced dates.--Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot}_hoot🦉) 14:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose There is an official date. Whether that date changes is out of control, but it was determined not by a result of our speculation. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Anno Dominus known in A.G.[edit]

I find this general introduction to be lacking when the correct year is known.

'In the far future of humanity, Duke Leto Atreides accepts stewardship of the dangerous desert planet Arrakis.”

Wouldn’t the accurate time frame be preferable??

“In the far future of humanity, 10,191 A.G. (26,392 A.D.), Duke Leto Atreides accepts stewardship of the dangerous desert planet Arrakis.”

14255 B.G. = 1945 A.D. Atomic bombs dropped on Japan.^[1]

14255 BG + 10191 AG = 24447 years

1945 AD + 24447 Years = 26392 AD.

24.78.228.96 (talk) 14:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

We know this from the book but we don't know how the movie will handle it. --Masem (t) 14:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

So you want wait and see if he makes the same mistakes as David Lynch did. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt instead, he basing it off of the books, and he's been accurate so far. I mean you could say the same thing about the rest of the sentence, far future? Stewardship? Will the movie handle these things the same as the book?? 24.78.228.96 (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The other factor is that it doesn't matter how exact 'far into humanity's future' this happens as well. We generally try to containerize fiction without having to seek out companion sources unless essential for understanding, and this is exactly the type of case that the exact year relative to our present is not required. --Masem (t) 14:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay but using that logic, how do you know he will set it in the far future, or even our future? Using your logic, we don't know how the movie will handle it. Oh, and I just read the rest and noticed an error, the spice doesn't make faster than light travel possible, the Holtzman Drive does, the navigators use spice to make it safer. Its the same mistake David Lynch made. And, that's one of the ugliest run on sentence I've ever seen, so don't tell me you trying to be encyclopedic. 24.78.228.96 (talk) 15:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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